have worked with both of them. if they make the decision they want to be commander in chief, i think they are both qualified to do it. >> what's their distinctive strengths? >> i for joe biden, obviously as vice president, knowing the world, knowing the issues involved, knowing what it means to govern from that perspective. and for hillary clinton, she knows it from every angle now, having worked in the white house, been a part of that, and now as secretary of state knowing the world. >> biden or clinton? >> i'd like to see which of the harbaugh brothers come out on top. >> gentlemen, thank you both for being here. >> thank you, chuck. good to see you. >> as secretary panetta prepares to leave government service again, we spent some additional time with him on press pass to talk about that long career as a congressman, budget director, white house chief of staff, and director of the cia. he also weighs in on what the current issue of "time" magazine calls the rise of the drones, and he has some surprising suggestions for the president going forward. you can watch the full interview on our website, that's at firstname.lastname@example.org.